Da li imam ESP?

[bugarin]

ne bih da te razocaram, ali cisto sumnjam da imas ESP. ako na dugmetu pise ASR, onda imas ASR.
to sto auto sam regulise obrtaje, to je da ne bi tockovi proklizavali, i to regulise ASR.

evo c/p iz uputstva za koriscenje jednog skodinog vozila:

"ESP - Electronic Stabilisation Program (incl. ABS, EBD, ASR, XDL and hill hold control)"
 
Anti-lock Braking System (ABS)
When braking, sensors in each wheel measure the road speed.
If one or more wheels start to lock, the ABS reduces brake pressure to
those wheels. This prevents the wheels from locking during heavy or
emergency braking and allows you to continue to steer the vehicle.
 
Anti-Slip Regulation (ASR)
ASR is a switchable traction control system that prevents the
front wheels from spinning under acceleration. When a difference in
driving wheel speed is detected (e.g. due to differences in road surfaces),
the system automatically reduces engine torque accordingly.
 
Electronic Stabilisation Program (ESP)
The ESP is made up of the ABS and ASR traction control systems.
Simply put, it helps ensure that the vehicle goes where you steer it –
even in extreme driving conditions. By constantly comparing the actual
movement of the vehicle with pre-determined values, ESP will apply
the brakes to individual wheels and automatically adjust the engine’s
power output to correct a problem the very moment it arises.
 
Brake Assist
Brake Assist aids the driver during emergency braking by automatically
increasing the brake pressure to a level exceeding the locking limit.
Then, the ABS is quickly brought into the operating range, thereby
enabling maximum vehicle deceleration.
 
Electronic Brake-pressure Distribution (EBD)
This sophisticated system provides an electronic means of regulating the
ratio of front to rear brake pressure. The system automatically varies the
settings according to driving and load conditions to ensure each wheel
is braked to the optimum extent.
 
Electronic Diff erential Lock (EDL)
EDL improves driving and steering characteristics when accelerating
on road surfaces where each wheel has a diff erent degree of traction.
The system operates automatically and is combined with the ABS
system. Using the ABS wheel sensors, EDL monitors the speed of the
individual driving wheels. When a diff erence in driving wheel speed is
detected (i.e. when one wheel starts to spin due to diff erences in road
surfaces, e.g. due to water or dirt) the system brakes the spinning wheel,
transferring engine power to the wheel with the best traction.
 
Extended Electronic Diff erential Lock (XDL)
The Electronic Diff erential Lock XDL is an extension to the EDL function.
When cornering, the XDL responds to the unloading of the front wheel
on the inside of the corner. The ESP hydraulics are used for the XDL
to apply pressure to the wheel on the inside of the corner in order to
prevent wheel spin. This improves traction and reduces the tendency
to understeer. As a direct result of the one-sided and precise braking
pressure, cornering is sportier, quicker and more accurate.

[hatuna1983]

@bugarin
I meni je nelogicno da ovo pise jer sam vidjao Fabije za tipkom ESP umjesto ASR, ali mi onda nije jasno zasto taj kod postoji u servisnoj i kod mene i kod njega. Lijepo pise 1AP dok je 1AR za one sto imaju samo ASR. Jasno mi je sta ASR radi imao sam ga i na prosloj Fabiji HTP 1.2 12v Classic ali tu nisam imao ovaj kod za ESP/ESC nego taj za ASR. Sad da je stamparska greska, koja vjerovatnoca da je i kod mene i kod njega pogresno? 

edit: Sutra cu prolaziti pored ovlastenog servisa u Tuzli pa cu da svratim i da se raspitam.

[bugarin]

nisam rekao da je nemoguce, vec da sumnjam

a sto se tice stamparskih gresaka, na mojoj fabiji yunior 1.4mpi 44kw je sledeci kod:

HA3 = Tires 205/60 R16 92V

pa ko bi pri zdravoj pameti stavio fabricki na tako slab motor, sa tako jadnom opremom 16ice 205

[hatuna1983]

Nezz pitacu u servisu da mi protumace, ali ako ce i oni samo objasnit sta taj kod znaci a pretpostavljam da hoce, ne preostaje mi nista nego test ako hocu da znam. Namjerna izbacim auto iz balansa i ako cujem ili osjetim da koci nema sta drugo biti. Nemam bas neke ledene ceste uglavnom su suhe, a gume su mi nove, valja se puno zaletit da istestiram a zao mi natezat auto... Ali na kraju ce biti to...

[bugarin]

evo  linka za sve kodove koje WAG koristi u svom proizvodnom programu, da ne morate da lutate po servisima:
http://vag-codes.info/files/options/vag-option-codes.pdf

[hatuna1983]

1AP BRS Electronic Stability Control (ESC) with electromechanical brake booster
1AS BRS Electronic stabilization program (ESP)
1AT BRS Electronic stabilization program (ESP)
1AZ BRS Electronic stabilization program (ESP)

Jedno te isto ili...? Tek sad mi nije jasno. U okviru VAG-a ima znaci vise oznaka za...jedno te isto...?

[vlada320]

Koliko se ja sećam, jer sam pozajmljivao i detaljno proučavao uputstvo na srpskom jeziku za Fabiju I, u sklopu ASR-a nalaze se standardno neki dodaci i to su kontrola obrtnog momenta, elektronska blokada diferencijala (EDL) i elektronska distribucija sile kočenja (EBD). Sve ovo vam neće pomoći na uglačanom ledu, jer npr. elektronska blokada diferencijala ni približno ne funkcioniše kao mehanička.
Inače, ASR je bio deo standardne opreme kod Fabije vezan za benzinske motore 74kw i 85kw (nisam siguran za 1.9TDI) i nema veze sa Elegance paketom opreme.

[hatuna1983]

Sve ok ali ovdje je pitanje: Moze li se imati ovaj 1AP BRS Electronic Stability Control (ESC) with electromechanical brake booster sto je u stvari ESP a da je tipka ASR samo na tabli? I meni i sale89 pokazuje po kodovima iz servisne da imamo to a samo ASR je na tabli. Kako god vrtimo se u krug, nema druge nego isprobat na klizavoj podlozi to ce jedino pokazati stvarno stanje.
Usput, moja servisna je svapska, a znate kako su oni detaljni oko toga.

[Karlheinz]

Moze li se imati ovaj 1AP BRS Electronic Stability Control (ESC) with electromechanical brake booster sto je u stvari ESP a da je tipka ASR samo na tabli?

Mislim da možeš. ESP (ESC) na nekim vozilima ne možeš u potpunosti da isključiš, već samo možeš ASR (TSC) pritiskom na taster.
Budi obazriv ako se budeš zaletao negde jer ESP je samo pomoć vozaču ali ne i rešenje za kritičnu situaciju.
Evo kako je ESP odradio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0khcM8dFCPI

[hatuna1983]

Evo sta mi je neki tip sa Briskoda na ovo odgovorio. Tip ima skoro 10 000 poruka tamo pa valjda je nesto dosad i naucio

''I have traction control (ASR). I also have the code 1AP (ESC). Only traction control can be deactivated, that is why there is no button to turn off ESC.
If you have ASR, you also have ABS. They are three different systems and can all be on the same car at the same time, however as stated, only ASR can be turned off.''

Dakle i po njemu je moguce pa sad, zlu na trebalo valjda je tu da ne davim vise s tim. Kad ulovim vremena da odem do servisa pitacu i njih danas nisam stigao.